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- CommentAuthorjohnny Holden
- CommentTimeJan 20th 2008
We all thank you. -
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To leave a comment, you need to sign in first.- CommentAuthorsugar kane
- CommentTimeJan 21st 2008
i think the same with songs like vicious and im so free hell yeah he is and i think no one gives him the credit for it -
- CommentAuthorlaurence-of-euphoria
- CommentTimeFeb 26th 2008 edited
tell you what? this probably sounds like a very lame opinion, but i think bob dylan circa-1966 had a lot do with sowing the seeds of punk rock. there's a lot of sarcasm, mockery, nonchalance etc. in his music of that era that hadn't been around before, that whole vibe of being at war with half of his audience. his vocal delivery was definitely hugely influential on a lot of the singers of the late 60's and 70's who are regarded as the fathers of punk. perhaps dylan is the grandfather of punk in that sense. and you could trace it back further to the great-grandparents. i probably sound like yr typical dylan obsessive now, i'm not really, but the impact of his vocal technique should not be underestimated, best exampled on the famous albert hall bootleg. 'tell me momma' is punk if you ask me! -
- CommentAuthormikegoran
- CommentTimeFeb 26th 2008
So what´s Punk then? an adrelaline reaction against society and dinosaurial megagroups as
pink floyd which in a couple of years turned into a fancy and easyhandled hairstyle for nurses.
The best music from that era (first modern lovers,talking heads) maybe has some of the intensity but it´s not punk, the only qualitypunkers I know are the Stooges and the Ramones.
punk´s dead -
- CommentAuthorspacejunk65
- CommentTimeFeb 26th 2008
bob dylan punk rock? yes does sound lame. how about the kinks (great band!!!) check out "i'm
not like everybody else" technically not punk, but still. or "she's not there" by the zombies. or john lennon's "working class hero". maybe even "volunteers of america" by jefferson airplane?
to me punk is about bucking the establishment, questioning authority, living your life on your
own terms, following your heart, being creative, open-minded and having fun. But the SOUND
of what can loosely can be defined as punk started with the sex pistols and ramones. "anarchy'
by the pistols and the first ramones album, now that's punk rock!!!!!!!.........it was like an entire piece of culture fell into a black hole and nothing was ever the same again. stooges
prob the first punk band, but they didn't have the same impact culturally. also the extreme
freaked out look of pink hair, mohawks, safety pins, razor blades, etc. was incredibly shocking
at the time. people have always thought about reality in extreme ways (and con't to) but
but modern culture was flipped on its head circa 1976-77. so maybe dylan can be considered
punk-lite in the '60s, but certainly not the genuine article.and lou reed? he's in category all by himself........i guess it's called uncommon genuis....... -
- CommentAuthorjohnnyholden
- CommentTimeMar 2nd 2008
this is for mike goran. i don't believe you understood what i was saying. lou reed was and still is the origins of punk rock. with his music from the velvet underground and is solo record, transformer. shaped way for other bands to create their music. there would be no pink floyd and ramones if it wasn't for lou reed's music from the 60's and early 70's. pink floyd and the ramones came later on during the 70's and 80's. -
- CommentAuthormikegoran
- CommentTimeMar 4th 2008
Hey babe, let´s take a walk...
I´m not a big fan of Pink Floyd but I know that Syd Barret´s Pink Floyd started in the 60´s
and their sound has very little in common with The Ramones, Punk or Lou Reed,
Bob Ezrin produced Lou Reed´s Berlin and Pink Floyd´s The Wall but that´s about it all.
Punk really served a purpose it wiped away a lot of boring shit like ELO, Sparks, Genesis and such and opened for more basic Rock´n roll again but afterwards I can´t say that there is much worth listening to maybe Dead kennedy´s, Exploited and some more but the most interesting band which came at the same time was not strictly Punk, more like new wave like
Television, Patti Smith and later Gun Club. -
- CommentAuthorLucy Dragon
- CommentTimeMar 11th 2008
I discovered Lou Reed in 1983 - a little late, I know. I've been a fan ever since and own almost all of his albums/cds.
1983- I was very into punk...yes...Lou Reed is one of the Founding Fathers of Punk - take a look at the bands which list him and VU as inspirations - Camper Van Beethoven, The Cure, REM (early), Violent Femmes, Replacements, The Meat Puppets...etc, etc, etc...I think that speaks volumes. :). -
- CommentAuthorHebjam
- CommentTimeMar 11th 2008
Yea Laurence of Euphoria, Listening to the early Vevets stuff it knocks me over how Lou Reed is channeling Dylan the way Dylan did Guthrie. I hope I don't offend anyone with that! Punk must have it's roots in protest music right? Anyway, the most punk thing I've ever heard is Lou Reed on Ecstacy......'Used condoms on the river's edge , ungh ungh!!!!' or 'He'll cut somebody with a broken plate'! God it makes me laugh. -
- CommentAuthorspacejunk65
- CommentTimeMar 12th 2008
no offense taken, Hebjam. the velvets "hey mr. rain" sounds exactly like something dylan would write. singing style too is very dylanesque. however just because someone is influence by another artist doesn't make it punk, or anything else for that matter. lou, like all truly creative people,
are influence by all kinds of music, visual art, and writing. the question is how big was that influence and what did it lead to? most protest songs (folk music) take a leftist point of view.
like,hey man the gov't needs to change its policies. a real punk point of view is more extreme.
as in we don't want no fucking gov't. let's destroy this fucking shit. i mean if you incl dylan as a
godfather of punk (this thread) you'd have to incl everybody and their uncle whoever pick up a guitar. how about Alice Cooper? (too theatrical), but check out "i'm 18". not exactly punk,
but awfully close............ -
- CommentAuthoriñaki
- CommentTimeJul 22nd 2008
Who cares about all this. I would consider many other things as his sons before. Maybe PUNK ROCK is his idiot son. -
- CommentAuthorsickfornitro
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
Punk don't have no daddy.
Besides, if Lou's the father of punk, who is punks grandpappy? :lol:
punk became a reaction against mainstream, middle of the road mush being pushed out of corporate radiot at the time. At the time punk was starting to be noticed, usually as 'weird', most of the well estabslished bands like Grateful Dead, Genesis, Yes, and the like weren't really doing anything so terrific because they got all self-conscious and that really showed as the songs become more complex and bombastic. It was all the musicians just showing off their musical techniques, not so much any soul. With punk, the idea was to SAY a thing and play music beause it's FUN, not because you might get on a label. So, just simpler progressions and changes were more the norm than a bunch of scales slammed up together for twenty minutes. Rock had become so nearly Herodean in its size of venues.
Fuggit...let's just hope that certain aspects of garage rock, 'gutter rock' ha ha, and punk stick around, at least till Im dead... -
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lawrence-of-euphoria is totally right and it's not a lame opinion.
Bob Dylan did it. But as I can remember my BD-listening phase back in the eighties it was just one song.
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- CommentTimeJun 13th 2010
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